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    Posted: 24 October 2004 at 1:14pm

Is there stuff just not setup properly? No wonder since they turned on spf I haven't been getting my ebay stuff!

 

10/24/04 11:00:20:812 -- (2728) Connection from: 66.135.197.24  -  Originating country : United States
10/24/04 11:00:21:531 -- (2728) Resolving 66.135.197.24 - mxpool18.ebay.com
10/24/04 11:00:21:609 -- ebay.ca is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:21:734 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.ca found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:22:703 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:22:844 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:23:359 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:23:359 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:23:750 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:23:750 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:24:140 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:24:140 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:24:531 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:24:531 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:24:922 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:24:922 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:25:297 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:25:312 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:25:687 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:25:703 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.ca done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) failed SPF test (softfail) - Disconnecting 66.135.197.24
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) 66.135.197.24 - Mail from: bidconfirm@ebay.ca To: kevin@pare.ca will be rejected
10/24/04 11:00:27:031 -- (2728) EMail from bidconfirm@ebay.ca to kevin@pare.ca was received and quarantined. Size: 17 KB, 17408 bytes
10/24/04 11:00:27:078 -- (2544) Time to add Msg to Bayes corpus:0
10/24/04 11:00:27:203 -- (2728) Disconnect

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Kevin,

EBay is running into the same problem another user reported here (http://www.logsat.com/spamfilter/forums/showmessage.asp?messageID=4460).

ebay.ca SPF record contains include directives which tell the SPF filter to retrieve further information from ebay's subdomains:

"v=spf1 mx include:m._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:c._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all"

The problem is that the subdomains specified are not really domains:

m._spf.ebay.com
s._spf.ebay.com
c._spf.ebay.com
p._spf.ebay.com

but just entries under the _spf.ebay.com domain.

The RFC states that SPF records are to be retrieved from a "DOMAIN", not a host record. All the 4 entries above are *not* domains, so even though they have an SPF record, it's not supposed to be queried. This means that ebay.ca and ebay.com have an invalid spf confguration.

However I checked the domain using the tolls that http://spf.pobox.com provides, and they do say that the domain complies (against their own rules...)

We've been seing more and more domains that, while incorrectly configured, are marked as "good" by SPF checkers. We'll be doing research to see how we should proceed.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nippe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 October 2004 at 6:28am

We are not using the same tools. I can see that ebay.com has TXT/spf-records but can not find any TXT-records at all for _spf.ebay.com.

And i can also see that the "maybe-domains" do have TXT/spf-records.

Yes, it looks like the same problem I have with skutan.smf.se.

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Sorry! I did not test before my last comment.

I have now put in a record for notinuse.smf.se. (A TXT-record in smf.se.)

notinuse                TXT v=spf1 ip4:193.15.18.0/24 -all
(same as parent folder) TXT v=spf1 ip4:193.15.18.0/24 -all

The TXT-record for "notinuse" is NOT showing up as a TXT-record in the domain smf.se when asking from "outside". I have to ask for TXT-record in the "domain" notinuse.smf.se to se that record.

... notinuse.smf.se is not at domain.  :)

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You wrote:
However I checked the domain using the tolls that http://spf.pobox.com provides, and they do say that the domain complies (against their own rules...)

We've been seing more and more domains that, while incorrectly configured, are marked as "good" by SPF checkers. We'll be doing research to see how we should proceed.

Here you can find a test tool from Microsoft:
http://www.anti-spamtools.org/SenderIDEmailPolicyTool/Default.aspx

Microsoft do not have to be right - they are big.  :-)

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Kevin,

Even though it apparently is against the SPF guidelines, we are noticing several domains being "misconfigured" that are reported as having valid SPF records by various SPF implementations.

At this point we decided to "go with the flow", and relax our implementation of SPF a little, marking as valid SPF records for hostnames that are not proper domains. We made available for download in the registered user area pre-release build 2.1.1.386 that has these changes.

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Originally posted by kspare kspare wrote:

Is there stuff just not setup properly? No wonder since they turned on spf I haven't been getting my ebay stuff!

 

10/24/04 11:00:20:812 -- (2728) Connection from: 66.135.197.24  -  Originating country : United States
10/24/04 11:00:21:531 -- (2728) Resolving 66.135.197.24 - mxpool18.ebay.com
10/24/04 11:00:21:609 -- ebay.ca is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:21:734 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.ca found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:22:703 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:22:844 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:23:359 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:23:359 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:23:750 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:23:750 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:24:140 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:24:140 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:24:531 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:24:531 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:24:922 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:24:922 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:25:297 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:25:312 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:25:687 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:25:703 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- ebay.com is a domain, searching for SPF record
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF record for ebay.com found. analyzing: - v=spf1 mx include:c._spf.ebay.com include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.com done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) - SPF analysis for ebay.ca done: - softfail
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) failed SPF test (softfail) - Disconnecting 66.135.197.24
10/24/04 11:00:26:078 -- (2728) 66.135.197.24 - Mail from: bidconfirm@ebay.ca To: kevin@pare.ca will be rejected
10/24/04 11:00:27:031 -- (2728) EMail from bidconfirm@ebay.ca to kevin@pare.ca was received and quarantined. Size: 17 KB, 17408 bytes
10/24/04 11:00:27:078 -- (2544) Time to add Msg to Bayes corpus:0
10/24/04 11:00:27:203 -- (2728) Disconnect

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Kevin,

What version of SpamFilter are you using? We tried the latest build, 2.6.3.488 and it appears to process the SPF record for ebay.ca correctly:

10/19/05 17:57:46:218 -- (2968) Connection from: 66.135.197.24  -  Originating country : N/A
10/19/05 17:57:46:375 -- (2968) Resolving 66.135.197.24 - Not found
10/19/05 17:58:13:359 -- (2968) found SPF record for ebay.ca: v=spf1 mx include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com include:c._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/19/05 17:58:13:500 -- (2968) found SPF record for s._spf.ebay.com: v=spf1 ip4:66.135.209.192/27 ip4:66.135.197.0/27 ip4:64.4.240.64/27 ip4:64.4.244.64/27 ~all
10/19/05 17:58:13:515 -- (2968) SPF query result: pass
10/19/05 17:58:13:515 -- (2968) - SPF analysis for s._spf.ebay.com done: - pass
10/19/05 17:58:13:515 -- (2968) SPF query result: pass
10/19/05 17:58:13:515 -- (2968) - SPF analysis for ebay.ca done: - pass

We also tried using the "Test SPF" function under the "Settings - SPF Filter" tab, using the IP of 66.135.197.24 and email of bidconfirm@ebay.ca, and that too correctly validates the SPF record:
10/19/05 17:52:49:906 -- found SPF record for ebay.ca: v=spf1 mx include:s._spf.ebay.com include:m._spf.ebay.com include:p._spf.ebay.com include:c._spf.ebay.com ~all
10/19/05 17:52:50:531 -- found SPF record for s._spf.ebay.com: v=spf1 ip4:66.135.209.192/27 ip4:66.135.197.0/27 ip4:64.4.240.64/27 ip4:64.4.244.64/27 ~all
10/19/05 17:52:50:531 -- SPF query result: pass
10/19/05 17:52:50:531 -- - SPF analysis for s._spf.ebay.com done: - pass
10/19/05 17:52:50:531 -- SPF query result: pass
10/19/05 17:52:50:531 -- - SPF analysis for ebay.ca done: - pass
Result: pass


Could you try the latest build to see if it solves the problem? There have been several SPF bug fixes prior to the latest build, and one of those might be causing the problem.

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